Talk widget showing discussions of the day & trending threads, Subscribe to Mumsnet emails direct to your inbox. She wasn't exactly small at 8lb 8.5oz either, so don't give up hope there is still a good chance baby will turn. I would highly recommend the book Breech Birth by Benna Waites. I think if I'd talked to the midwives themselves I might have got a different version, but by then we were already leaning strongly towards IMs and homebirth so we didn't persue that line of enquiry. The specific causes and solutions for these positions may differ slightly from a breech baby, so it’s important to know for sure. Baby boy had other plans when my water broke out of the blue this morning. 1. I will be completely honest with you, it hurts omg does it hurt!!!! My doctor told me they could try and turn her or just schedule a c-section. My pain level has never been above a 4 and I was up and walking pretty large distances the day after. Also, am panicking as is my 3rd baby and first two arrived fairly quickly, about 4 hours (DS1) then 3 hours (DS2)What do you think? She was my first and I now wish I had left her longer to see if she turned on her own, but they said she probably wouldn't have!! It created a profound and peaceful connection between me and Griffin, ensuring an … To not expect neighbour to use washing machine overnight, To wonder if anyone has used a male prositute. She said 39 weeks was too late so thats a big relief. Looking for some advice or c-section experiences. To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account. It was my favorite hands-down. Related Post: Turning a Breech Baby: 10 Ways to Turn Your Breech Baby Naturally. I researched to find that this was the norm. If you're going to have a c-section, make it an elective one if at all poss!! To try and turn a breech baby at 39 weeks is far too late. Henry Burn made his unexpected arrival today 1/15 at 38w 2d. I think I am just scared to death of giving birth breech style but also very scared of a caesarean so not a good candidate for either on that basis. This is called external cephalic version. They have one specifically for turning a breech baby entitled, “Turn Baby Turn.” It’s a mere $15-$20, and money well spent. Most of them turn on their own to be headfirst by the time of delivery. If this does not work, or if you choose not to … You should be having the operation by then in order to avoid you going into labour and ending up, as you point out, having an emergency c-section (worse all round as it's higher-risk and completely inconvenient for you. 0 comment. Like you I was breech with my 3rd pg, had ECV at 37 weeks and went on to have a normal (v. speedy) delivery at term.ECV is more likely to be successful in 2nd and subsequent pgs, so really worth trying if you like the idea. My husband is really nervous. 0. Success rate is about 50% on average, but varies with the skill of the practitioner, the position of the baby and an assortment of other factors. If you end up going for a planned c-section it is likely to be around 39 weeks and they will scan you the morning of the planned surgery. My baby turned at 39 weeks! Hope yours does too. I would push for a scan and appointment with the consultant asap. In normal pregnancies, a baby usually turns head-down to get into position in preparation for birth. In fact, your chances of having a breech baby decrease with each passing week. If your baby is in a breech position at 36 weeks, you'll usually be offered an external cephalic version (ECV). Mary Cronk herself still works as one! It helps to tuck the baby's chin, which is the first step in flipping over. Babies can be breech early in pregnancy. what I forgot to add HPM was that DD was my first - with two biggish babies beforehand curent DB has plently of room to turn, so fingers crossed (I say biggish as DS - my second - was 10lb10.5oz thank goodness he was head down )If you are keen on a vaginal delivery then definitely consider ECV, it's supposed to be easier with subsequent babies than with first as your womb muscles are more stretched, and I didn't find it that bad even with a first baby, just a bit uncomfortable rather than painful. But if your full-term baby stays in breech position come D-day, a vaginal birth can be difficult, sometimes impossible, for you. They are already talking about potential c section. My DD was born by cs because she was breech. Mine wasn't successful and i had a c-section planned at 38*3 this was so I didn't go into labour with a breech. We respect everyone’s right to express their thoughts and opinions as long as they remain respectful of other community members, and meet What to Expect’s Terms of Use. definitely too late for ECV at 39wksDD was breech & I had ECV at 37wks - successful, only for her to turn breech again 2 days later She turned head down under her own steam at 38+6 - I felt the kicks changing position (m/w didn't believe me when I went for my pre-op clinic the following day for the el c/s for breech - was told it was far too late to turn, until she palpated me & then scanned me & it turned out I was right ) so el c/s was cancelled & DD was born at 39+4 (ended up an em c/s, but that's another story). If you're beligerent enough it is possible to work miracles (for example I heard of one lady that managed to get her PCT to pay for an IM for her breech birth - it may not be common but how much of that is because people assume it's a non-starter? If you have a clean home but don't spend your life cleaning - what's your daily routine? As you can image the urgency of this matter wasn't helping my state of calm (or lack there of). Pain has been manageable as long as you rest and don’t overdo anything. : Just found out on ultrasound that my baby is complete breech at 33 weeks. I don't have any experience of this but I would imagine that 39 weeks is bloody late to try ECV.bearing in mind you're considered to be term at 37 weeks you may have had baby before then anyway.would totally push to be seen sooner, if you want the ECV.youknow though, that is is perfectly ok to have a natural breech birth.do google mary cronk, Hi Hotpot,Just saw your message as I'm about to post with a similar problem although I'm not as far on as you (oblique breech at 29 wks).I am already booked for a scan at 32 wks as placenta previa diagnosed at the 20 wk scan (I'm not overly worried as had this with DD1, and the placenta kindly moved itself! I'm doing the optimal fetal positioning exercises to try and turn it and will book in for moxibustion if it hasn't turned in the next few days. this birth . The babies turn their heads down in almost or after the 26 th to 30 th week or so. My last two were big, 9lb 6oz and 8lb 11oz so was thinking this one would be too big by now to turn, but maybe it will! However, you need to take into consideration the fact that ECV is supposedly less risky overall than a c-section, but talk to you mw about this. From a developmental point of view you want to leave it as close to term as you can, as a small number of babies will get so distressed by the procedure they need to be delivered by CS immediately. I had a great experience so far. Will keep hoping. Hi this is my first baby I am currently 38 weeks and he is footling breech (feet first) I went for ecv at 37 weeks and it failed was too hard to turn him and was very painful I am now left with a bruised stomach, I'm booked in for a section at 39+4 weeks and is hoping for my baby to turn round before then but think it's unlikely as he seems very comfortable and stuck, dad was a breech baby … Yes: Yes under specific conditions, you can try to turn a breech baby in order to try to get a vaginal delivery. I got told that if mine is breech at my 34 week appointment (which is actually at 35 weeks), they'll do a scan and try turning the baby at 36 weeks. Im 39 weeks and my baby is breech and my doctor is worried he WONT turn in time, so he wants me to go in for a c section next week..but i just think my baby is not ready yet, ive had no signs of labor,its my first one and maybe its not time. Still, if it is not, you don’t need to worry about, as the baby can take its position in anytime till the 37 th week of pregnancy. Thanks again for all your replies, very interesting to read, Tangle. I really DONT want a c section :( Anything I can of to help him move? It is possible, I promise. This is page 1 of 2 (This thread has 28 messages.). The breech tilt exercise is one of the most commonly used exercises to turn the baby from a breech position. Are you sure you want to delete your discussion? the c/s at the mo inc. feel cheated of a natural birth, having to stay in hospital longer, not being able to drive, pick up my other two DS's.Am gutted at the thought of having a c/s as my first two were natural births and a c/s just wasn't in my plans re. Not supposed to be seeing mw until 36 weeks but think I should try and see her this week, although trying to get an appt so late is virtually mission impossible. These flaws encompass - the design (comparing planned rather than actual mode of delivery), - the inclusion criteria (in order to be included centres needed to deliver a certain %age of their breech babies vaginally - to get included some tripled their vaginal birth rate over night. )It sounds as if you're being badly misinformed so go and ask for second opinions in your hospital, if you don't want to go back to the mw. Best of luck, try the moxibustion asap, I truly believe this would have worked if I had started earlier. Contractions started... STMs and Up: Were your deliveries similar or different? I had an earlier than expected c section on the 8th (due date was Christmas Day) because she was breech but then I also ended up developing gestational hypertension at my 37 week appointment. 1 doctor agrees. It's a safe procedure, although it can be a bit uncomfortable. You're right digs, they wont usually let you go past 38/39 weeks with a breech baby due to complications that could arise if you go into labour naturally. You could also try acupuncture and chiropractic as backups. Thanks for the link. Some of the signs of a breech baby are also indicative of a posterior baby. And everyone agrees that a CS is a safer option than trying for a vaginal birth without the necessary skills on hand.My experience of breech and the NHS was that as soon as breech was confirmed I was sent off to see the consultant, who gave me an option of an ECV or a CS. Most babies do turn on their own before their due date. My baby was breech all the way through my pregnancy. He didn't turn back and I had a scheduled csection at 41 weeks. If they were confident to birth all these breech babies, why such a big increase? She told me if its still breech, I will be sent to hospital at 39 weeks for a scan to confirm and they will try to turn it there. they could be breech because of a short cord, cord can get wrapped around neck etc) and it doesn’t always work. Their view was that there was plenty of time for the baby to turn on its own up until 39 weeks. … Mine was breech at 34 weeks and I did a lot of research into the ECV. However, I do believe that learning how to turn a breech baby naturally is very important. This is when a healthcare professional, such as an obstetrician, tries to turn the baby into a head-down position by applying pressure on your abdomen. What exactly are the main risks with a c-section? My Dr said there’s sometimes complications (I.e. Saw mw last week, was 34 weeks. While about 30 per cent of babies are breech at 30-32 weeks, only 3 per cent are still breech at term (37 weeks), says OB-GYN Ellen Giesbrecht, a doctor at BC Women’s Hospital in Vancouver. If you feel a message or content violates these standards and would like to request its removal please submit the following information and our moderating team will respond shortly. If so what did it feel like? The evidence isn't nearly as clear-cut as many obstetricians state, but the problem is that because most breech babies are now born by CS the skills for delivering breech babies are being lost by doctors and midwives. Please whitelist our site to get all the best deals and offers from our partners. This one is breech at the moment at almost 30 weeks but still plenty of time to turn, if not Dr will try ECV at 37 weeks :-) Good luck I’m a bit concerned about the ECV. ----- Our mission is to create educational content. I LOVED this technique! Breech baby also called breech birth, means your baby is lying bottom-first or feet-first in the uterus (womb) instead of in the usual head-first position. However, the vast majority of babies who remain breech arrive by c-section. 0 thank . Here are some measures you can take to help move your baby's head down to the birth canal. The mother will often (but not always) be given drugs to relax the uterine muscles before hand. The two scenarios where it is talked about are where the baby is pre-term (more likely to be breech, and at earlier stages of development there's a discrepancy between the size of hips and the size of the head which tends to disapear at term), or where too much of a hands-on approach is taken (causing the woman's perinuem to contract before the head is delivered). Breech Tilt Exercise. The educational health content on What To Expect is reviewed by our medical review board and team of experts to be up-to-date and in line with the latest evidence-based medical information and accepted health guidelines, including the medically reviewed What to Expect books by Heidi Murkoff. I was breech, and they attempted to turn me, but failed. My doctor told me they could try and turn her or just schedule a c-section. They will likely offer you an external cephalic version (ECV, described below). Baby is breech. Where's that lulu woman, she's be ab;e to advise! After all, I was 38.5 weeks along and each day the baby is getting bigger which will make it less likely to be able to turn and if I go into labor before that happens we would need to go straight to the hospital for that damn c-section. The experience varies on a case by case basis - some women describe it as just a bit uncomfortable while for others it's very painful. Jivegirl, no she said there was nothing I could do, however have found there are things which may help. Only ECV with an experienced practitioner has been documented to have a greater than 50% success rate at 37 weeks; in 95% of cases the head … you don't HAVE to have your baby turned if you don't want to, either.i'd push to see the consultant WAY earlier than 39 weeks, particularly if you had two previous babies at before due date. )Have the midwives given you any exercises to do in the meantime to try to help with the positioning?Best wishesClaire. If you baby is indeed breech, we offer three ways for parents and providers to learn how to help their baby turn head down: 1 . I'm 31 weeks pregnant and the baby has been in breech position for some time now, with his / her head under my ribs. Breech baby at 33 weeks... Can it still turn?? Talk to AIMS and ask for advice. If you can find an experienced midwife they're far more likely to look on breech as an unusual variation on normal, but experienced midwives are getting harder and harder to find - there's a real risk that the skills required to birth breech babies safely will die out . You could try www.spinningbabies.com to get some ideas on exorcises to help turn… Isn't it riskier than a c/s? I looked into acupuncture etc, but it was too late for anyone to try. Congrats! I ended up having an elective … 90,000 U.S. doctors in 147 specialties are here to answer your questions or offer you advice, prescriptions, and more. I spoke to a midwife at the hospital today as couldn't get an appointment at my local clinic. Am dreading it but suppose I need to be informed so I know. Go to your GP and get him/her to kick ass, if you want an ECV. I do think that it's an option that isn't often presented by the NHS and so a lot of women don't feel they have a choice, and that just isn't fair. © 2021 Everyday Health, Inc. It was picked up at 35 weeks. The views expressed in community are solely the opinions of participants, and do not reflect those of What to Expect. Wish me luck!Thanks for all the replies. I am such a worrier that not sure a breech natural birth is right for me, then again neither is a c/s. I found out at my appointment today that my girl is breech. This is called external cephalic version. This educational content is not medical or diagnostic advice. If you find that your baby is head-down, it may be a good idea to belly map to check which direction your baby is facing. They tried to turn him, but were unsucessful, mostly because I was terrified and tense. The current NHS policy to recommend CS for breech babies is primarily based on a study commonly known as the Term Breech Trial, published in The Lancet in 2000 by Hannah et al and entitled "Planned caesarean section versus planned vaginal birth for breech presentation at term: a randomised multicentre trial" (the full text is available for free if you register on the Lancet's site). When taken en masse there are so many flaws that are so basic a number of papers and/or letters have been written recommending that the conclusions of the Term Breech Trial should be discounted immediately. Fortunately there … That doesn’t mean that one should rule out moxibustion. How do you turn a breech baby? Therefore, to be considered effective, a technique for turning breech must turn the baby and keep it turned more than 50% of the time. I convinced her to let me move it to a few days later, though she started listing off all the horrible things that would happen if I went into labor. Most babies that remain in a breech position upon the time of delivery will arrive by C-section. I’m just freaking out... Find advice, support and good company (and some stuff just for fun). The decision is completely yours and just remember it's not always possible to turn them, especially this late on so it's whether you want the anxiety of trying to turn them with a possible negative outcome at the end anyway. A baby may be in a head-down position through 34 weeks before becoming breech, for example. there are still very experienced midwives out there who are more than happy to take on the breech deliveries. This action cannot be undone. Ask to talk to the Head of Midwifery at the hospital and ask about their experience - I have heard of wards re-working staff rotas to try and make sure an experienced midwife would be available so it is possible. Some of the techniques below deal with the root cause of your baby’s presentation, which can save you grief with this pregnancy and future pregnancies as well. Get updates on how your baby develops, your body changes, and what you can expect during each week of your pregnancy by signing up to the Mumsnet Pregnancy Newsletters. Moxibustion is also something you could try (look up on net) as it's been highly recommended to me, but ideally performed by 35 weeks ish.Sorry this is long. This surgical procedure is usually planned at no earlier than 39 weeks. Whatever happens, good luck and I hope you have a good birth experience. This is called external cephalic version. As a pregnancy progresses there is generally less space for the baby to move, but each woman’s body is different and a baby may turn later in the pregnancy. I think I’d rather just have the c-section since it’s not really guaranteed to work. well quite, c-section holds many risks too.read up on it as much as you can, you can't make a decision unless you are full informed.hope all goes well, ECV is usually done at 36-37 weeks, so yes, 39 is leaving it rather late IMHO. Toilet training expert answers questions on bathroom habits and routines, Share your tips for saving on your energy bill with ESB Energy. I had my baby successfully turned today at 38+6 after finding out at 38 weeks that baby was breech. Could you afford an independent midwife? Thanks again, my friend had ecv at 39 weeks and baby was born fine a couple of days later. Yes: Yes under specific conditions, you can try to turn a breech baby in order to try to get a vaginal delivery. My baby was breech at my 32 weeks scan but at next m/w appt she said it was head down, as at the following one at 36 weeks, it was only that she was concerned at my 36 weeks appointment about growth that she sent me to consultant who identified that baby was still breech (and as far as I am aware still is) so I think it is sometimes difficult for them to differentiate between bum … Get help now: Ask doctors free. If the scan shows that your baby is breech, the midwife or doctor will talk to you about your options for giving birth safely. I’m glad to hear you had a good experience and congrats! Is there room for it to still turn? I think NICE guidelines recommend offering an ECV at 37 weeks if the baby is confirmed breech. Several studies show that C-section is the safest method for babies in this position. If you get no joy at the hospital where you're booked you could look at other local hospitals. )Sorry that's such a long reply - anyone that's made it to the end deserves a medal! I had a big movement in my belly kind of on both sides that rubbed against my ribs. Vicky11, good luck with the VBAC, by the way!. Unfortunately this hasn't happened and most Dr's still see a breech presentation as abnormal. Personally I would have opted out of it as yes, it is successful in 50 - 60%, however approx 20% of those that are successful turn back anyway! Also I read it can … The surgery itself was very smooth and honestly calm because I knew pretty much what to expect and when to expect it. Turning a Breech Baby: 10 Ways to Turn Your Breech Baby Naturally so the study was pretty much less than useless.Unfortunately the recommendation stuck, and now of course midwives don't get to do many breech births.If you did want a vaginal birth then I suspect your hospital would try and ensure that an experienced midwife was there for you (not all hospitals are rabidly anti vaginal breech).Personally I would be happy to have a breech delivery vaginally, there are several mumsnetters who have done so too, perhaps another thread would out them? If you talk to experienced midwives, this just doesn't tend to happen with normal, term babies. Cephalic Presentation • Can a breech baby turn at 39 weeks? Fifty % of breech fetuses at 34 weeks will turn by themselves to head down by 38 weeks. I had low lying placenta with my 2nd, btw, but luckily it had moved up slightly by the time I gave birth and was only partially covering so I was allowed a natural birth. A baby who delivers head-first will make room for the breech baby. Today i arrived at the hospital absolutly hysterical and they said the baby was fine … As it turned out my dd was wedged in an awful position and even with the C section it took longer than normal to get her out, so it all came together in the safest way in the end. This action cannot be undone. )- the execution (despite the guidelines indicating attending practioners for VB should be skilled in breech, there are indications this was not always the case)- and the analysis (babies that died from causes obviously unrelated to mode of birth included in statistics).The points I've highlighted are just a few of the issues that have been raised since the report was published. The cs was fine, now problems at all.Good luck. Haven't read all thread, but I have experience on this as first baby was breech. She was lovely and told me that I should see my midwife next week and then if its still breech, be booked into hospital the following week for a scan and possible turning of baby. Therefore, we also explored this topic from a … I didn’t try to have the doctors manually move her because I have an anterior placenta which decreases the success and increases the chance of complications. FinallyPregnant - ECV stands for External Cephalic Version. I had my baby Friday and we did a c-section due to her being breech. 0. I found out at my appointment today that my girl is breech. Fingerwoman, wish I was brave enough to have a natural breech birth but not sure I am. Thanks for replies. Some babies don’t let on what end will ultimately be up until a few days before birth. Around 50% of breech babies can be turned using … To try and turn a breech baby at 39 weeks is far too late. And just to finish, I don't believe that all women with breech babies should try and birth them vaginaly. Thanks BB. I think 39 weeks is way too late, tbh, I've never heard of it this late, it's normally around 37 weeks. Keep trying to feel whether the round bump near my ribs is a bum or a head but if the midwifes can't get it spot on every time, not sure I have got a chance! It was so healing. Are you sure you want to delete your comment? I can’t say enough about this technique. What's an ECV? I had an ecv at 39 weeks with my first child as she was breech. … He had been breech the entire pregnancy, had scheduled c section for Jan 20 at 39 weeks. It goes through all the evidence surrounding breeches and your different options. Has anyone else had a baby at this time be breech and has it turned on its own? It was both painful and unsuccessful as it should have ideally been performed, I think, between 34 and 36 weeks, so I was left a little late. Feel upset about lots of things re. My husband is really nervous. I don't want to go into labour before they try and turn it and end up having an emergency c/s which is more likely if they are leaving it until 39 weeks. Although my dd tried so hard to turn for those few days we did it for. If your midwife or doctor thinks that your baby is still breech at 36 weeks pregnant then you should a have scan to confirm this. On the back of this, most Western countries started delivering the vast majority of their breech babies by CS almost overnight.Unfortunately, the paper has an alarming number of fairly fundamental flaws, to the extent it's one of the worst pieces of research I've ever had the misfortune to read. My c-section was performed at 39 weeks. I was her first. I think it's meant to be done at 36 weeks. How to Turn Your Breech Baby at 32 Weeks? 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